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Trees have internal thermostat
Posted by Bob Grant [Entry posted at 11th June 2008 08:48 PM GMT]
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Return to Top comment: Interesting by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-06-14 11:57:59] Interesting. The article could have picked better metaphores, but the point got across: something else is happening that we are not including in our equations. Until we find out what that is, we cannot consider it very safe to act as though we understand tree rings or tree behavior in response to temperature. Return to Top comment: Are there minimal rules for invoking regulation? by vetury sitaramam [Comment posted 2008-06-12 21:43:38] There is often confusion between constancy(relative) and regulation. I am not sure that this topic is devoid of this confusion.If my blood pressure drops and I faint and fall down, return of the blood supply to the brain by fainting cannot be considered to be a regultion but merely incidental to a parallel process that relates to posture. Similarly, if the pine leaves are bunched up and probably diminish air circulation, it can hardly be considered to a regulation since it is derived from its structure. A thermostat is far fetched because it invokes an active process-dependent loop that is normative. None is clear here. Return to Top comment: Fingers aren't reliable thermometers by Michael Morris [Not You? Log-out] [Comment posted 2008-06-12 21:17:22] Measuring the temperature of leaves with your fingers probably isn't going to get you too far. Fingers are probably better at measuring the heat capacity of a cold object rather than its absolute temperature. Try touching a car left out in very cold weather; the metal will feel really cold but the tyres not so, yet they are both at the same temperature. Return to Top comment: Response to comment by Hunt by Ruth Rosin [Comment posted 2008-06-12 19:29:59] The authors never claimed that the leaves of live trees cannot get preyyy cold, or pretty hot.
All they claimed is that the leaves photosynthesize only at about 21 degees, and that trees have various "strategies" that give many of their green leaves a good chance of often achieving such a temperature. Return to Top comment: Is this really true? by Ellen Hunt [Comment posted 2008-06-12 13:39:21] If true, I have to say, "Wow." This is huge. But since they didn't actually take the temperature of the leaves, are they really sure this is temperature regulation, and not something else that works out in their equations like that?
I have walked in pine forests when it's cold and touched the needles and they were cold - not thinking about photsynthesis at the time. I have touched leaves in deciduous trees at various times of year and while they seemed cooler than the air in summer (which makes sense) they definitely seemed cold in colder weather. I think they need to do a study of actual temperature, because I think there is something balancing out in their equations. Comment on this blog |